another case of police brutality......errrr......ummmm....

[South]

...oh man this is why I hate the majority. Whats the point of democracy if you don't exercise your rights, how do you know you have it? It is easiest to enslave those who believe they are free. Or believe they are in imminent danger (fear).

....notorious you accuse someone of living in fear by quote "over analyzing"....if your going to say someone lives in fear at least say so because of faulty rational or logic...Attack the argument not the person, once you attack the person you have no more legitimacy or respect (in my book).

"So this is how liberty dies... with thunderous applause"....Yes I did just quote star wars, and I should quote star trek too....i have this odd feeling though....that some....some..... will not understand><....oh man if only our role models were sci fi based and not celeb based/media based.

[sirex]

Dont you get it south, thats the point bro. These people are so busy working for food and rent and buying iphones for themselves or their kids that they dont have time to think about the consequence of what this means for us.

[South]

Originally Posted by sirex

Dont you get it south, thats the point bro. These people are so busy working for food and rent and buying iphones for themselves or their kids that they dont have time to think about the consequence of what this means for us.

....it seems we will have to wait for our PHD in psci or something so people can finally approach our rationale respectfully and attack it, rather than the person behind it. But hell there has to be people that can be a daily part of busy lives to understand these types of issues!

><....wait there are people like that....Noam Chomsky! but if that is too fricken boring then go watch south park! but if that is too fricken childish then go watch the daily show! but if that is too fricken "leftist" then its ok. Your one of those people screwing us guys over and are probably being talked about in the above mentioned shows. Ooooor more likely your life has been and always will be set, and since it is, it must mean everything is how it should be, amirite.

See it is one thing to disagree with someone and it is a very very very different thing when you can not explain or counter why you disagree so you attack the person and not the arguement.

The issue was our rights and the laws. Some disagreed with the way we exercise those rights and laws and believed there is a time and place.
In this particular situation the person with the camera was "pushing his rights", "screwing us law abiding citizens", "wasting a good cops time", "looking to make a scene" etc....or he was "using his rights like he can and did", "proving a point of how cops should be officers of peace not law and not escalate a situation",etc....

Those were the arguments and counter arguments. Then the issue shifted in general of "if you have nothing to hide, dont " and another set of arguments and counter arguments emerged. Fine still OK here. But then when all party's were heard, some began making fun and attacking the people behind them. This is a big no no, your being an asshole, in my book. Also keep in mind that you can attack what is believed by people, but if your going to attack it, use rational and logic, or find fault in in theirs.

[NOTORIOUS VR]

Originally Posted by South

....notorious you accuse someone of living in fear by quote "over analyzing"....if your going to say someone lives in fear at least say so because of faulty rational or logic...Attack the argument not the person, once you attack the person you have no more legitimacy or respect (in my book).

Like I care what you think

LMAO

[sirex]

Originally Posted by NOTORIOUS VR

Like I care what you think

LMAO

are you 12?

[jeremy]

Originally Posted by sirex

When you start living a life of fear the purpose of freedom has been defeated. Fear like this helps give police more power and authority over you. In the end you're not safer, you just begin fearing more things.

Eventually you start to watch and analyze your neighbours and everything around you. You are no longer free when you think everyones activities are suspicious. Good luck living a life like that.

There is a difference to living a "life of fear" and living in times that call for awareness. Let me ask you something, where did you grow up? Have you ever been robbed by someone with a gun? Have you ever had a knife held to your throat? Have you ever had police on your lawn with shotguns chasing a gun weilding man?? Or another man that was hiding in a womens closet when she got home.

I do not live in fear. I live in a time where violence had become the norm. In this case, a man was pacing the road while having a fire arm in clear view. He should be questioned.

Originally Posted by sirex

Secondly, tell me how many murders have happened by people who wear HOLSTERED Pistols on their belt which is completely visible to the public? Most of the people who hurt innocent people don't carry their firearms where its visible and in most situations you don't see it coming until its too late.

This rational you are usinghere is based on statistics.....which is exactly what the Police are doing when they stop someone of interest. What makes it ok for you to use it in your argument, and the Police are castrasted for doing the same?

As I stated before, there is really no point to arguing this....

[South]

There is always a point to argue things like this. It spreads information and different ways to view things.

I think all of us agree that a guy with a gun on the street, is scary and we would all be afraid and probably call the police. As for the law, we live in our countries where we hold up our rights and liberties as best in the world, a real plus of living here. THUS can someone with a gun walk around with it in the street??? Under our rights and liberties. YES. Is it socially acceptable. NO. Now the officer could of acted according to either viewpoint and he would, as this debate has shown, have support one way or the other.

Keep in mind if the officer acted according to the socially acceptable viewpoint and arrested him, then the officer would be at complete fault in court. Thus when faced with conflicts of what society and the law say are ok, it is best to protect yourself with a video camera.

All other arguments that attack the individual and his reasoning have no legitimacy in an argument that SHOULD be about the rights of the individual and the rights of the officer. The officer, for the most part, respected the individuals rights and did not overstep his own. That is why I praise the officer and give him a big thumbs up .