We do so by being a contributing member of NATO, bringing something valuable to the table so as to give when we can and have the allies there to assist us when we need them. I'm sorry if you think aircraft are useless, but you're wrong. You clearly have no understanding of the usefulness of an offensive aircraft so I'm by no means surprised.
what the **** are you talking about? you're a complete turd for making an assumption like that with no bearing. I have no understanding? How so because I dont think we need them to bomb civilians? TELL ME WHAT THEIR USEFULNESS IS? Because just saying they are useful doesn't prove SHIT.
Are you preparing for some sort of war or something?
by the way, we do provide man power, logistics, etc.
Im not sure why youre still stuck on the F35 topic. Its jsut one of the bad ideas.
what the **** are you talking about? you're a complete turd for making an assumption like that with no bearing. I have no understanding? How so because I dont think we need them to bomb civilians? TELL ME WHAT THEIR USEFULNESS IS? Because just saying they are useful doesn't prove SHIT.
Are you preparing for some sort of war or something?
by the way, we do provide man power, logistics, etc.
Im not sure why youre still stuck on the F35 topic. Its jsut one of the bad ideas.
I'm glad you know absolutely nothing about War, Militaries or anything of the sort. I suggest that you read up on the new Naval ships CANADA is building for our own military. Your attitude towards things are beyond moronic. You just say things without any clue of anything. DO SOME READING FIRST BEFORE POSTING PLEASE! For the sake of not looking like a complete moron.
$35 billion plan to build 28 large vessels and 100 smaller ships for the Navy and Coast Guard over the next 30 years.
And you say jets are worst lol. They all cost Billions!!! Oh and one more thing, your Jack Layton NDP clown wants to priortize boats over aircraft first. Which is not the smartest considering the aircraft we have now are beyond outdated.
Well like all this was covered way before the elections. We need everything for the military. But it all comes down to cost. The navy vessles are doable at such a time because you don't need to replace the fleet. Our aircraft though, needs to be compltely changed. Thus such a huge pricetag, not to mention it's cheaper to buy the planes now as later on they will cost double.
I also have a LCIS Tech friend in Kingston, he also mentioned that they are retrofitting all the Hummers and Jeeps with the latest technology along with the Leopards. Soon time he said they might end up buying new tanks and such but that will be years down the road.
Ships = Logistics. Transportation. Ice Breakers and Northern Sea Way Patrols. As well as advanced radar and detection systems.
Fighter Jets = Only purpose is for fast action response, dropping bombs, and shooting thigns down.
A coast guard upgrade is MUCH more needed than a Fighter Jet Upgrade. A coast gaurd update and Naval update is much better then a fighter jet program because of the added benefit of the humanitarian uses that ships have - SEARCH AND RESCUE, transportation of first aid, ETC.
In the northern sea channels, fighter jets wont DO SHIT. You need boats and you need FAST response. More boats, ice breakers, and advanced radars to help detect people in aid/ships a drift/damaged, is FAR more important than fighter jets.
Please, educate me more about "war, militaries and the sort" seeing as how youre a military strategist on these forums and know more about Canadas mission plan than anyone here Go right ahead, please tell us what our mission is as Canadians, last I thought we were peace keepers and humanitarian front, I guess I got confused with the Marine corps???
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I'm glad you know absolutely nothing about War, Militaries or anything of the sort. I suggest that you read up on the new Naval ships CANADA is building for our own military. Your attitude towards things are beyond moronic. You just say things without any clue of anything. DO SOME READING FIRST BEFORE POSTING PLEASE! For the sake of not looking like a complete moron.
$35 billion plan to build 28 large vessels and 100 smaller ships for the Navy and Coast Guard over the next 30 years.
And you say jets are worst lol. They all cost Billions!!! Oh and one more thing, your Jack Layton NDP clown wants to priortize boats over aircraft first. Which is not the smartest considering the aircraft we have now are beyond outdated.
'The next time you post an opinion in an online forum, youtube or a Facebook group message board, don't be surprised if you get a rebuttal from a federal employee.' of the u.s, u.k or canada, etc.
You do relize the greater importance to supply ships right? Not not all happy and peaceful like your flower attitude seems to think. Yes some of it is going to coast guard and icebreakers, but the majority of it is for war relief and supply of ammo and such.
If you do want to know Canada's mission. Look it up. I've applied for the Canadian Forces, have you?
The mandate of Canadian Forces is three-fold:
1. Protecting Canada and defending our sovereignty.
2.Working with Canada’s closest ally, the United States, to defend North America.
3.Contributing to international peace and security through operations around the world, most often in partnership with allies from other countries
The Canadian Forces will continue to support freedom, democracy, the rule of law and human rights around the world. They will boast a three-ocean Navy, a robust Army, and a revitalized Air Force. To achieve this, the Government of Canada will increase the size of its Regular Force and Reserve Force personnel, and continue to acquire leading-edge military technology and new equipment to carry out their mission in a changing world.
Did you notice how it says aquire leading-edge military technology and new equipement? Tell me how new fighters jets doesn't land there. Seriously need to open your eyes to the world and notice that thing happen outside Canada and affect us and we also have homegrown terrorist here in Canada as well.
too bad you didn't get in, you could have shown us your war cry.
I guess your next step is joining the Police?
You certainly have the bravado to make you a fine police officer SIR!
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You do relize the greater importance to supply ships right? Not not all happy and peaceful like your flower attitude seems to think. Yes some of it is going to coast guard and icebreakers, but the majority of it is for war relief and supply of ammo and such.
If you do want to know Canada's mission. Look it up. I've applied for the Canadian Forces, have you?
The mandate of Canadian Forces is three-fold:
1. Protecting Canada and defending our sovereignty.
2.Working with Canada’s closest ally, the United States, to defend North America.
3.Contributing to international peace and security through operations around the world, most often in partnership with allies from other countries
The Canadian Forces will continue to support freedom, democracy, the rule of law and human rights around the world. They will boast a three-ocean Navy, a robust Army, and a revitalized Air Force. To achieve this, the Government of Canada will increase the size of its Regular Force and Reserve Force personnel, and continue to acquire leading-edge military technology and new equipment to carry out their mission in a changing world.
Did you notice how it says aquire leading-edge military technology and new equipement? Tell me how new fighters jets doesn't land there. Seriously need to open your eyes to the world and notice that thing happen outside Canada and affect us and we also have homegrown terrorist here in Canada as well.
It's not about getting in, it's the budget that the DND gets in order to hire. If you would talk to a recruiter you would know a thing or two. I know no battle cry or anything. Just no tollerence for kids who think they know it all because TV said so. Reminds me of the morons who riot at the G20 and cry about getting thrown in jail. Bunch of idiots.....
We've made commitments to NATO which require us to provide more to global conflicts than band aids. I agree money needs to be spent elsewhere, but these aircraft were necessary to fulfill those roles. Do you expect the US to bail us out if something goes bad? A capable Air Force is vital to any country which wants to maintain it's own sovereignty.
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Are you preparing for some sort of war or something?
Sort of like the ones we're already in? Canada is no longer solely a peacekeeping nation, more is needed to get the job done than was in the past. I see the aircraft we have on a daily basis, in fact I worked on a part of an engine nacelle today which was manufactured in 1967, and those aircraft are being used in SAR operations to save Canadian citizens! I'm sorry, but half century old aircraft need to be replaced when they've flown on a near daily basis since introduction. The CF-18's are approaching a number of airframe hours which will have them grounded simply because they're unsafe, and then what?
It's not about getting in, it's the budget that the DND gets in order to hire. If you would talk to a recruiter you would know a thing or two. I know no battle cry or anything. Just no tollerence for kids who think they know it all because TV said so. Reminds me of the morons who riot at the G20 and cry about getting thrown in jail. Bunch of idiots.....
LOL, do you even know what NATO is? Or are you mixing that up with the UN?
NATO? Global conflicts?????
LOL, sigh.
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We've made commitments to NATO which require us to provide more to global conflicts than band aids. I agree money needs to be spent elsewhere, but these aircraft were necessary to fulfill those roles. Do you expect the US to bail us out if something goes bad? A capable Air Force is vital to any country which wants to maintain it's own sovereignty.
Sort of like the ones we're already in? Canada is no longer solely a peacekeeping nation, more is needed to get the job done than was in the past. I see the aircraft we have on a daily basis, in fact I worked on a part of an engine nacelle today which was manufactured in 1967, and those aircraft are being used in SAR operations to save Canadian citizens! I'm sorry, but half century old aircraft need to be replaced when they've flown on a near daily basis since introduction. The CF-18's are approaching a number of airframe hours which will have them grounded simply because they're unsafe, and then what?
Nato is essentially an agreement to provide defense for all of its members, so no I am not confused considering how many times I mentioned sovereignty. I think it's you who has the UN and NATO confused. NATO strictly deals with military operations, whereas the UN does much much more on paper.
Nato is essentially an agreement to provide defense for all of its members, so no I am not confused considering how many times I mentioned sovereignty. I think it's you who has the UN and NATO confused. NATO strictly deals with military operations, whereas the UN does much much more on paper.
I suggest you retract your facepalm, troll.
Does not include military operations in the Arabian ocean.
Havoc, Im surprised that you can read tbh.
I may have an IQ of a fishstick, but, you are a fishstick lol.
Go right ahead, please tell us what our mission is as Canadians, last I thought we were peace keepers and humanitarian front, I guess I got confused with the Marine corps???
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