HARPER WINS MAJORITY!? Vote Tampering Much? do recall they tried to Void 1st votes!

[sirex]

Originally Posted by Blades

and look who won .. at least conservatives keep there promises.

The conservatives always win in hick town ridings because they think the Con's are all about good "family values" and the "working man" and many people in these areas have farms or come from families that worked farms or "worked hard" labour jobs.

They've been duped into voting Con's for ages because they think the other parties are "socialists." Its exactly the same thing that happens in the USA all the time.

Look at the layout, which areas votes Con's and which didn't. It's either the hick towns, or the areas with extremely wealthy individuals. Meanwhile, all the middle class votes for NDP and or liberal. Pretty hilarious isn't it?

Oh well, time will tell. Personally I don't really care. It's only when you get it shoved in your face that you will be able to see it.

[Blades]

Originally Posted by sirex

The conservatives always win in hick town ridings because they think the Con's are all about good "family values" and the "working man" and many people in these areas have farms or come from families that worked farms or "worked hard" labour jobs.

They've been duped into voting Con's for ages because they think the other parties are "socialists." Its exactly the same thing that happens in the USA all the time.

Look at the layout, which areas votes Con's and which didn't. It's either the hick towns, or the areas with extremely wealthy individuals. Meanwhile, all the middle class votes for NDP and or liberal. Pretty hilarious isn't it?

Oh well, time will tell. Personally I don't really care. It's only when you get it shoved in your face that you will be able to see it.

Personally you do care because you wouldn't have said anything. The only problem is that you have the lower IQ and couldn't show any facts to back up what your saying so you resort to name calling and insults (kind of thing kids do). You also didn't say who you did vote for and why.

[sirex]

Originally Posted by Blades

Personally you do care because you wouldn't have said anything. The only problem is that you have the lower IQ and couldn't show any facts to back up what your saying so you resort to name calling and insults (kind of thing kids do). You also didn't say who you did vote for and why.

Like the facts you used to back up the Harper government? LoL, K dude. "They keep their promises" LOL, ya is that what they told you on the TV add?

I did state some facts though, which you seem to have neglected, maybe becuase I edited the post and you didn't see it.


OOH, oops, huge insults going around here...

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by sirex

I dont know how anyone can support and agree with the conservative mind set, its almost as if you have to have a lower I.Q. level to be a conservative.

I guess I'm an idiot. Love your liberal tolerance.

[sirex]

Originally Posted by Smitty

I guess I'm an idiot. Love your liberal tolerance.

Maybe, only you can know the answer to that question. The only thing I said is that "it's almost as if ..... lower IQ...." but you seem to drop the assumption that, that is calling you an idiot straight out....... I dont really see the correlation between saying "its almost as if you have lower IQ" to "[you're an idiot to vote cons]" which is what you assume to think thats what I am saying.....

I rest my case, part 2.

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by sirex

Maybe, only you can know the answer to that question. The only thing I said is that "it's almost as if ..... lower IQ...." but you seem to drop the assumption that, that is calling you an idiot straight out....... I dont really see the correlation between saying "its almost as if you have lower IQ" to "[you're an idiot to vote cons]" which is what you assume to think thats what I am saying.....

I rest my case, part 2.

Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle. I'm afraid the case you just put to rest is full of holes.

You stated that "its almost as if you have to have a lower I.Q. level to be a conservative." I hope we can agree that 'idiot' describes someone with a mental handicap. If we cannot agree, I direct you do the dictionary definition).

Now, it sounds as though you're suggesting that there is a direct causal relationship between idiocy and conservatism (i.e., one must be an idiot if he is conservative). Put another way, idiocy is a necessary condition for conservatism.

After I called you on that incorrect and preposterous assertion, you backtracked and seemed to infer that idiocy is a sufficient condition for conservatism (i.e., conservatives are likely to be idiots).

Frankly, in this context, I don't see how one is less untrue than the other. It's one thing to disagree with your ideological opponents by debating their ideas; it's an entirely separate matter to devalue ideas by stating that the holders of those ideas aren't sufficiently intelligent to understand them.

So, I say again: Thank you for your liberal tolerance.

[BMW_7]

Originally Posted by sirex

They've been duped into voting Con's for ages because they think the other parties are "socialists." Its exactly the same thing that happens in the USA all the time.

Hmm.. you are not too bright are you. Calling conservatives "low IQ". You must be low IQ yourself if you think that our conservative party is anything close to American republicans. Our conservative party is more left than the democrats! NDP and liberals should merge anyway, that would make our political spectrum more balanced.

Second of all, It's tiring that there are so many young left-wing adults with this bullshit "Obama for change" mentality. It's getting very old. Voting liberal is voting for the hope that promises will be kept and magical money will be pumped into social programs and education. Voting NDP is voting for a choke chain around Canada so that the US can give us a good old YANK if we progress heavily. Oh, and don't forget the oil sands. Yeah I know they suck, but sorry to break the news but.. It's kinda why we're still doing so well in the world economy. Why would anyone think now is the time to disturb that shit so suddenly.

HOWEVER, voting conservative is voting for a well directed, constructed and thought out right-wing agenda. (again, it's not even real right wing) Canada needs a Conservative majority so that the ball can get rolling and not have it blocked by the opposition when we finally have a chance to get shit done. The economy needs it, and citizens need it. Slow change and smart decisions is the key, not rapid change and ridiculous spending. Get them in office for another 2-3 years, and maybe I'll consider voting for the opposition. But to vote for Lib or NDP and think they'll be able to pull off what they promise at this point in time.. I don't think so.

[sirex]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Wiggle, wiggle, wiggle. I'm afraid the case you just put to rest is full of holes.

You stated that "its almost as if you have to have a lower I.Q. level to be a conservative." I hope we can agree that 'idiot' describes someone with a mental handicap. If we cannot agree, I direct you do the dictionary definition).

Now, it sounds as though you're suggesting that there is a direct causal relationship between idiocy and conservatism (i.e., one must be an idiot if he is conservative). Put another way, idiocy is a necessary condition for conservatism.

After I called you on that incorrect and preposterous assertion, you backtracked and seemed to infer that idiocy is a sufficient condition for conservatism (i.e., conservatives are likely to be idiots).

Frankly, in this context, I don't see how one is less untrue than the other. It's one thing to disagree with your ideological opponents by debating their ideas; it's an entirely separate matter to devalue ideas by stating that the holders of those ideas aren't sufficiently intelligent to understand them.

So, I say again: Thank you for your liberal tolerance.

LOL, if you want to play that game then I didn't specify how much lower the IQ is and I didn't state that anyone is mentally handicapped to be called an idiot by your definitions..

Im not really seeing the well thought out constructed Agenda that is saving/creating new jobs and that is so amazing in the Conservative party. Actually if you looked at the NDP platform most of it was the same, except for a few minor differences. Actaully ALL 3 platforms mirrored each other.

The only thing you get now is all the bullshit that comes with a Harper government. Closed door policy.

Funny how its only, what, 30-40% of Canadians that votes for Cons anyway. Lol.

HOWEVER, voting conservative is voting for a well directed, constructed and thought out right-wing agenda. (again, it's not even real right wing) Canada needs a Conservative majority so that the ball can get rolling and not have it blocked by the opposition when we finally have a chance to get shit done. The economy needs it, and citizens need it. Slow change and smart decisions is the key, not rapid change and ridiculous spending . Get them in office for another 2-3 years, and maybe I'll consider voting for the opposition. But to vote for Lib or NDP and think they'll be able to pull off what they promise at this point in time.. I don't think so.

Actually thats exactly whats wrong with it because now theres no room for debate/discussion and Harper has always had trouble listening to the opposition party.

Im not really seeing smart decisions here either...

Im hoping that this god send can implement his miracle ideas that they typed up...

[SiR]

and no i wasnt an iggy fan at all.... 4 yrs of crap here we come

[Smitty]

Originally Posted by sirex

LOL, if you want to play that game then I didn't specify how much lower the IQ is and I didn't state that anyone is mentally handicapped to be called an idiot by your definitions..

You're the one playing a game, not me. The fact of the matter is that "low IQ" and "idiot" are interchangeable terms.

Originally Posted by sirex

Im not really seeing the well thought out constructed Agenda that is saving/creating new jobs and that is so amazing in the Conservative party.

Looking through your posting history, I noticed that you asked the board to recommend some books for you to read. Specifically, you were looking for works from the 'Western cannon.' It's admirable that you wish to familiarize yourself with great literature! The above statement, however, indicates that you need a refresher in Western liberalism.

To this end, I recommend that you check out The Wealth of Nations by Adam Smith (Amazon link) and The Road to Serfdom by Friedrich Hayek (Amazon link). The former explains how markets works, how wealth is created and how it is equitably distributed; while the latter makes a compelling case for the continued relevance of Smith's ideas in the modern world.

Read those two and you'll understand why it grates when people say that they want to see a "well thought-out agenda for job creation." The best way to ensure economic growth is to get the hell out of the way and let business do its thing! No thinking, no targeted investments, no stimulus, no playing favourites.

[slemmer]

I'm looking forward to the Provincial elections this year to see what McGinty has to say to save his bacon - mmmm...bacon...

[sirex]

Originally Posted by Smitty

Read those two and you'll understand why it grates when people say that they want to see a "well thought-out agenda for job creation." The best way to ensure economic growth is to get the hell out of the way and let business do its thing! No thinking, no targeted investments, no stimulus, no playing favourites.

Thats an opinion, and its not fact, there are many theories that argue otherwise. Just because you side with supply side econimcs, that doesn't mean its the only way. In the real world, you cant apply pen/paper theories the same way. If that were the case, minimum wage would be 50 cents an hour, and most people would be slaves.

As for continueing the argument of what low IQ means, you can keep going on for as long as you like, saying that you must have a lower IQ to vote conservatives doesn't mean youre an idiot, it just means you have a LOWER I.Q. than others around you. It is not interchangeable at all, and for someone who now comes on here and professes to be well read to the point of telling us to read books to become more intelligent, you're doing a poor job of proving to us your intelligence.... But that doesn't make you an idiot either...

Basically, your agument is this: "your IQ is LOWER then Einsteins, therefore that makes you an IDIOT," thats not the case at all. You're not an idiot, your IQ is marginally lower than Einsteins.

Back to reality though: Harper has tried and tried and tried again to constrict our rights and strip our freedoms. He has lobbied hard to abolish gay marriage is one such example.

When Harper is asked to show us what is happening behind closed doors, he feels he does not have to disclose his actions, or the reasons for his actions, or any explanation what so ever. This is further evident in the debates he had.

On other issues such as net neutrality, useage billing, and other such touchy subjects that we have argued on these forums in the past, Harper doesn't really give a shit, and he will side with the corporations.

So, now someone says a few positive words, and people suddenly are under the idea that because he said that, that he is going to do exactly that and everything will be perfect. It seems we forget history, and suddenly Harper is some trust worthy guy who is looking out for Canadas best interests. I dont know how you've become indoctrinated by his ads, but I guess they worked.

The best thing Canada could have had was another Minority government because at least that way the parties are kept in check and no bullshit bills can be enacted... That way, we get the best of all the parties because at least things can be discussed and aruged somewhat logically in parliament.

As for this economic action plan of non-sense. Where exactly does spending 30 Billion dollars on fighter jets that HAVE NOT BEEN PROVEN in the field help Canadians, a country set on peace and humanitariasm? These fighters haven't even been used by the USAF and somehow we need them?

How does cutting corporate tax by 1.5% help Canadians when the same corporations take those profits OUT OF CANADA and spend it in China. On top of that, Canada has some of the LOWEST corporate tax rates amongst developed nations. So now they get another tax cut.


Whoopdidooo at least we get another 5000$ in our TFSAs.

Enjoy the new job creation at Wal Mart and McDicks.

[B6T]

Originally Posted by sirex

Enjoy the new job creation at Wal Mart and McDicks.

I don't know about other industries, but I work at a substantially sized manufacturing company and we are having considerable difficulty hiring people to keep up with the growth we're seeing. This is for all positions, from entry-level machine operators to experienced engineering and management functions.

Part of the reason we are having so much trouble is that there are other companies out there snatching up all the best and maybe not-so-good people with more attractive compensation packages. Regardless, jobs are not so scarce anymore and the jobs out there are higher paying.

We were at a record high in unemployment at this time in 2009, and I doubt we would have been in as good of a position as we are now had there been another government in power.

[Blades]

Originally Posted by sirex

As for this economic action plan of non-sense. Where exactly does spending 30 Billion dollars on fighter jets that HAVE NOT BEEN PROVEN in the field help Canadians, a country set on peace and humanitariasm? These fighters haven't even been used by the USAF and somehow we need them?

Wtf are you talking about... your sounding like a liberal that hasn't done his research now ..



It out preforms the F-16 and is the new Bugatti Veyron of short range fighters (depending on the model they go with)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockhee...5_Lightning_II

Its about time Canada has some new good equipment. We need something better then the F-18s we have now.

[BigD]

Originally Posted by Smitty

I guess I'm an idiot. Love your liberal tolerance.

Same here.

Originally Posted by Blades

Its about time Canada has some new good equipment. We need something better then the F-18s we have now.

It's not even about having new equipment. We've strung the F18s along as long as we could. They're all ancient. They were old in the 90s. We've been trying to keep them current by upgrading the avionics. But they're nearing the end of their service life. This isn't an E30 that you can keep beating on with half its shit falling off. When the manufacturer says the airframe materials have reached the end of their service life, you listen. Saying we don't need to buy new ones just because the economy is tight is like losing your job and saying I need to stop paying for hydro because I like eating out too much - no you keep spending on what you need and cut back where you reasonably can.

Oh God why did I step into this pile of crap... RUN AWAY!