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Old 03-07-2013, 12:31 AM   #24
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Originally Posted by pearl_iroc View Post
In no am I try to act smug.
9.0.1
ON-BOARD DIAGNOSTICS SYSTEM TEST: (ALL LIGHT
VEHICLES OF MODEL YEAR 1998 AND NEWER)
Until December 31, 2012, a light vehicle that is compliant with OBD test standards is deemed to be in compliance with tailpipe testing standards. If a light vehicle is not compliant with OBD test standards, the light vehicle may be tailpipe tested, with the test results of the tailpipe test being used to issue an emissions inspection report. Effective January 1, 2013, a light vehicle must be compliant with OBD test standards. Light vehicles not OBD enabled and vehicles not compatible with the performance of the OBD test procedure referred to in Section 9.0.1 of t he Regulation will be tested using the Two Speed Idle Test as prescribed in Section 8 of the Regulation or the Test for Diesel Fuelled Light Vehicles as prescribed in Section 11 of the Regulation (diesel only). A light vehicle is required to be tested for compliance with the OBD test standards using at a minimum, the OBD test elements described below in Table 9.0.1A

http://www.ene.gov.on.ca/stdprodcons...rod_080001.pdf
LOL you're confirming what I am saying. You NEED to have OBDII compliance on an 1998 and newer car. You cannot get a two speed idle test on a non functioning OBD2 car that is model year 1998 and newer.

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So basically you go there with your 98+ vehicle the with 97 or older motor (in which you'd probably get hot rod stats and they wont bother you about a port) But if you dont have hot rod stats, you tell the inspector/mechanic your vehicle is no obd 2. (You tell him you have a old motor that doesnt have obd2, you may need paper work to prove depending on shop) You have ALL the emission equipment from the 97 or older motor and functioning then theyd run a 2 speed idol test.
It goes by the year of the CAR. Not by the motor. If you put a 1997 motor in your car and you have a 1998 car, you have to pass 1998 standards not the other way around. I cannot believe you aren't able to grasp this. And you will not be granted hot rod status on a 1997 motor from the same chassis in a 1998 car... regardless of displacement change. It says to plain as day on the Drive Clean site.

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Also of note : MUST HAVE Equivalent to original emission equipment, equivalent being a key word as that could be argued many ways

Q: The owner of a 2005 Chevrolet vehicle installed a 2011 crate motor. (The 2011 crate motor was not designed or equipped with any emission components). What are the emission requirements?

A: This vehicle must:

meet the visible emission standards
meet the emission standards set for the original motor (2005).
have all emissions control equipment normally included with the replacement motor (2011), or its equivalent, attached and functioning. Since the crate motor did not come with any emission components, none are required.
meet or exceed the 2005 standards for that original motor if a provincial officer asks for a Drive Clean test. Although emissions control equipment is not required, without it, the car would likely fail the Drive Clean test.

http://www.ene.gov.on.ca/environment..._098206.html#6
There is no argument.. There is only interpretation by the reader. But the rules are the rules. You CANNOT remove emissions systems from a car. This is what you any other people are not understanding.

If your car comes with OBD2 you cannot remove it. If you car has cats it cannot be removed regardless that the motor replacing it with doesn't come with it. It only means you need to attach the existing emissions systems to the new motor. In the example above (2005 car with 2011 crate engine) that means ECU, o2 sensors, EGR, air pump, catalytic converters that were present on the 2005 setup needs to be put installed and fully functional on the 2011 crate motor. You cannot simply ignore it and throw them away regardless of hot rod status or not.

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http://www.ene.gov.on.ca/environment...OD_098206.html

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sorry, what was that about being smug? We're trying to help a fellow enthusiast pass emissions. Why are you making this personal?
What you're not understanding here is that you're not allowed to run no emissions systems. On a car that came with them. You clearly aren't able to interpret the laws correctly.

If you buy a crate motor, it doesn't come with emissions equipment because well, these are separate parts. But that doesn't mean you just slap the motor in and put straight pipes and a carburetor on the motor, it doesn't work like that. You need to apply everything the 2005 car had emissions wise to the 2011 motor at the minimum. If the 2011 motor comes with UPDATED emissions systems then you go one step further an install/replace the 2005 emissions systems with the 2011 systems.

It's not hard to understand here people, really all you need to remember here is you CANNOT remove emissions systems from ANY car. You cannot remove catalytic converters, you cannot remove O2 sensors, you cannot remove EGR, Air pumps and you cannot remove/disable/downgrade engine management systems just because you do a motor swap.
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